Sunday, December 13, 2009

The Linder Gallery - Interview 258

Since The Linder Gallery picture flashed up as one of the images in the Spin NY reveal there has been lots of speculation in the comments about what it might mean.

Someone who is very familiar with the painting is Michael John Gorman and Thorsten has contacted him to ask a few questions.




Michael John Gorman is a Director of Science Gallery in Dublin, and has a website dedicated to the book he has edited and produced about the painting - www.mysteriousmasterpiece.com

Listen now to the interview:






Alternatively click here to go to the TalkShoe web site to listen or download.

Some pictures of the sections of the painting mentioned in the interview




258 comments:

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Sayid'sgirl said...

First?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Thorsten
Thanks for the interview. I'll have to listen later. I'm watching football. :)

maven said...

Thanks, Thorsten...going to listen now....

Anne said...

Waiting to listen to the interview because I've just finished the PHI 101 exam and my brain needs a break.

May I recommend to anyone doing LU: do NOT take the exams with anyone else in the room :P Got 98% because I clicked on the wrong letter by accident. Backseat philosopher = bad idea. T_T

68F Tues in LA?! 32 felt warm yesterday after 11. Not sure my body can take it, lol.

Eugene said...

68F sounds good to me. It's snowing again and I know it will be white/grey here until March.

PS - Love Tom Waits.

ChrisL said...

Thorsten, Awesome work. Fascinating. Thanks so much for doing that, it's a real treat.

MEL, big time TW fan since '77.

maven said...

Great interview Thorsten! You asked fabulous questions! It seems the overall theme of the painting is science vs religion...which can translate into science vs faith. And also there are different ways of looking at the cosmos/universe. Very Lost-related for sure.

Amy Lynn said...

Awesome interview.

My brain hurts from the LU Philosophy classes. Hanging on to my 4.0 LOL

mungonna said...

EXCELLENT JOB THORSTEN!! and thanks to Zort for putting it up!

I am fascinated by the " perspective" of this painting. Everything inside is traveled thru by the " eye" of the mind and then directed thru the archway to beyond. A hint that all the structure and that "is",,of the inside, is only a moment in Time strikes me. The " surreal" of this painting strikes me as way before its Time.

mibwritenow.com said...

@Amy Lynn, Great Song! Big Patsy Cline fan... Nashville & all. Do a little Patsy myself! Auditioned at the Ryman for the play, even (a long time ago...) & got to sing Patsy at Tootsie's Orchid Lounge (the Grand Ole Opry's official after club of old Country Music). :) Will you be there to lead us in your song?
To All: Namaste & keep being "The Good Guys", Kharma is coming... ;)- Mib

Lisa said...

haven't listen to it all but sounds interesting.

Amy Lynn said...

LU Question: Are there really only 25 people on the Dean's List? I'm room317... can people see me on there?

RobPerrin said...

Very interesting interview. Wonder how big a role, if any, this painting will play in S6.

Spy Hill Skates said...

Great interview. The explanation of the iconoclasts and the martyrdom of St. Catherine were particularly interesting. Thanks.

mungonna said...

mib..Are you going to be there at 1988 on the 15th? I ask,only to determine what I shall wear. A totally black attire is possible , but i will not rob you of what is yours. I have options that may be more fitting to my whole perspective on LOST, rather than a of a character.

mungonna said...

my understanding is.. that painting and much of the Spin video,,isn't going to be in season 6,,thats why they could show it now. Its kinda redundant of what can be gathered already, as Thor pointed out.

futureself said...

Thanks Thorsten, that was a great interview. It is such a fascinating painting. I'm going to get Gorman's book to find out more :)

Anne said...

@Amy Lynn: I see a room327, is that you? That one is #5 down, NOT counting my own name. Really curious where I fall on everyone else's list (EvilLain). On the first day there were only like two pages of names; now there are a lot more, but I haven't counted. More than 25.

Ellen said...

email....:)
xxoo

LotteryTicket said...

thorsten and Mr. Gorman, thanks to both for sharing expertise and talent to enlighten. Lotto

LotteryTicket said...

please follow Gallery 1988 Twitter List

if you are in LA for the Gallery 1988 event and would like to be added to the above LIST, you will need to direct message "d @Lottery_Ticket" via Twitter. Thank you. Lotto

Eugene said...

LT, what will be the best way to follow everyone? Your list or google wave? If it's googlewave can you add me? eugeneslost@gmail.com

Much appreciated.

Just Thinking said...

Zort- you do put up the most interesting things- thanks Thorsten for the great work. Still can't see exactly why they put this in the video, and where they would have heard about it since it is not well known. Yes, it has Lost themes- but is there a particular thing that made them say- ahh- need that? Is it mainly the "Others" Latin phrase? Or that tied to the idea of early navigation shown by the table instruments -as in Black Rock type travel?

andalone said...

Many thanks to Thorsten for the wonderful interview! It is also very nice to hear your voice.

I have really been interested in learning more about this painting since Ob_FuSc8 posted information following the Spin reveal.

It has been added to what I refer to as my "continuing education" list. Thanks Zort for posting this.

The Kharma Initiative said...

Wheels up in t-10 minutes!

Amy Lynn, LT, maven, etc: The comment by mibwritenow.com above is from my wife. Take good care of her!

Cosmically Yours

Amy Lynn said...

TKI and wife... wish I could be there, but I have neither the dough nor the vacation days... looking forward to watching the events from my laptop Tuesday night.

mungonna said...

JT..I suggest unplugging from Plot lines, and plugging into Theme lines, when attempting to find any connections between Print and LOST.

The Linder Gallery painting is of a Momentous Time in human history. Copernicus was saying the Earth was NOT Flat..Tycho Brae and his one time student(?) , Kepler, were fighting off the Church, with proof that the stars were,,,not within a sphere around Earth,, but unimaginable distances away. This Painting depicts a Time when ...Time and Space became completely redefined. Man was just beginning to conceive of the Universe. HUGE CHANGE. Man not only began to " see" the Universe around him..but by doing so,, began to " see" Himself redefined as well.

Now.. LOST CONNECTION??...remember the quantum Easter Egg of season 3.." Only Fools Are Enslaved By Time and Space." LOST, Like the Linder Gallery painting,,is about Identity. A man's( or maybe a womans as well) identity and Mankinds Identity is explored in LOST. What it IS, To Be A Human Being, in these Modern Times, is what LOST is about, just as What It WAS to BE a Human Being, back in the 1600's,,is what the Linder Gallery painting is about....imho.

mungonna said...

TKI..HA!! now I kno what was meant by " Karma is coming"...hehe..Safe trip to you and all..See You in L.A.!!!

Capcom said...

Wow Thorsten, thanks so very much for taking the time and effort to do this research, and sharing it with us! You have a great broadcasting voice as well, you and Zort should go into the biz. :-)

Poor Keplar's mother, I don't remember ever knowing that about her. As for why/what-for this painting would be used, it just seems like another one of the great ideas that the Lost writers/creators come up with. With so many people working on the show, and also writers/producers/etc who are also artists like Bender, someone on the team may have just had knowledge about this work and suggested it. With all the obscure details TPTB have put into this show so far (especially all the wild things in TLE), it doesn't really surprise me, except as in a happy, i.e. serendipitous, surprise. :-)

The Kharma Initiative said...

MEL, yes I thought her pronouncement might need some clarification! (And maybe I could help her get some responses in these comments).

She's traveling by herself - I'm patrolling the barracks.

Cosmically Yours

Charles said...

Ok so, maybe someone has already noticed this, but I'm not sure this painting really exists outside the world of Lost. Like Ive googles the title of this painting like 50 times and all links take me back to mysteriousmasterpiece.com. No articles taking about the painting, not even in Wikipedia. No other sites selling prints or replicas, no mention of where it's on display. Am I trippin'? Did we know this already? Forgive me if I sound extra extra dumb right now. I work at a university and with classes ending, it's a real busy time for me.

So, is it even a real painting?

Capcom said...

I kind of noticed the same thing, Charles. There is a book about it on Amazon though that was published this November...ruh-roh, are we supposed to buy this book too, like Bad Twin?! X-D

Charles said...

PS none of the articles listed as resources on mysteriousmasterpiece.com are actually about the painting. From the titles, all of them are about art in that period, or the themes of the painting, but none of them are about the painting itself. If the painting were as old and meaningful as the site says it's supposed to be, shouldn't the authors have listed some articles that only disucss the painting? Again, forgive me if this is already common knowledge, or if it's already been figured out. Like I said above, I haven't been able to keep up a lot lately.

seaque said...

Might be something...might be nothing...

...I noticed that a few paintings, specifically 12,13,14,16 and possibly 5, all have what appears to be a green drape/curtain to the left of them. If so, what is it about these particular paintings that would require the need to cover them?

The painting under #14 is not identified...weird.

Charles said...

Capcom - yeah. That's the only book about the painting on Amazon. If it's 400 years old and mysterious, where's the other volumes of research and interpretation?

thorsten said...

Thanks Everybody, and again to Michael John for his time… As he explained, he launched his book about the Linder Gallery this fall, and the painting was more or less unknown till then because it was always in private collections and not available to the public. Which makes it even more surprising that it ended up in the Spin-video. However, Dave Pescovitz postet about it in BoingBoing at November 5…

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/05/the-linder-gallery-i.html

Katie said...

Would it be remotely possible that this whole site was set up for LOST? Could this whole interview be spoken to mislead us? I mean others see it yet otherwise? Should we be seeing this artwork otherwise?

thorsten said...

No, Katie… that would be like drowning a fake Airliner plus passengers ;))

reAnimated said...

Anyone else seen this tweet?

@comixguru
Just did a walk-by of Gallery 1988 http://twitpic.com/tf85f

Charles said...

Thorsten - in who's private NY collection, Charles Widmore's? lol jk

Idk it just seems weird. I guess if it were ABC behind it it would be on more sites than boingboing.com but who knows. I've been wrong about this type of thing before, but i've been right as well... It just seems like someone else wouldve written about it.

Anne said...

I thought it was possible the painting was a stunt, as well . . . until I considered how difficult it would be to create a fake painting of that type. I mean, not that there aren't some amazing artists out there, but you're not going to recruit for a work like that off of deviantArt. It's still feasible, just unlikely.

The scenario that the truth is just as it's been told, someone associated discovered it online, and that possibly late in the campaign it suited their needs, seems better. Occam's razor and all that.

Raj said...

Hi everyone! Just got back from a trip to India and have been catching up on everything. Reading Charles comment about the painting being a ruse is interesting. When you Google it not that much comes up except for the mysterious masterpeice site. You would think with a 400 year old work of art that is as intriuging as this that there would be a lot more sites or articles devoted to it...

The Kharma Initiative said...

Who wants to bet The Linder Gallery will make an appearance at The 1988 Gallery?

Cosmically Yours

Capcom said...

We know Thorsten, it's a part of the ARG and you are in on the whole thing! :-)

Anne, I know what you mean, I was thinking the same. But then I thought about the Leonardo-ish style of the dog picture in the cabin, and wondered if that guy could also paint the gallery in this style as well.

But if this painting was one of so many that have been lost, it could definitely happen that a piece of art could emerge from obscurity and then become studied. Especially when you think about all the amazing art that's been missing since WWII, for instance. :-o

Interesting, TKI!

mungonna said...

Some things to consider..

#40..the obelisk in the garden..even Gorman ( assumed) makes note that it it seems out of place,,possibly something astronomers of that time used..I'm having difficulty with that...and obelisks as that were of Pharonic Egyptian origins and didn't come north until Napolean years or so. see cleopatras needle.

The female anatomy as represented in some of the paintings..isn't quite of the way they were painted by artist , original or of the time the Linder Gallery was painted.uuumm..a few of the breasts and nipples,,are just not right for Time...too prominent, not subtle.

Which brings me to a larger issue..The color blue and even reds,,its amazing how brite and vibrant they have stayed for such an old painting.. but don't mind me.. I'm full of crap..which brings up another issue..those names..mentioned in.." The Style of"..anybody google some of those names? Who knos?

Speakin about mystery.. take alook below the statue of Eve..#42, and to the left of #43..it is unidentified,,but it sure looks like the half fish half human characters that Rene Magritte painted so Surrealistically.

Which brings me to another even bigger observation. The use of perspective in painting was kind of new back then but..to use it as part of the allegory, part of the message, as I mentioned in a previous post, seems way ahead of its time. Any body have issues with the woodwork of the bookcase,, the frames around the paintings? The table on the right.just seems to forward in time to fit. Looks French 1700's or even 1800's. Oh well.. I'm full of it. so what.

No matter what..its the message, not the messenger.

Amy Lynn said...

If you anagram "thorsten wulff", you get "Furs on Twelfth" Maybe someone should check if there is a fur store on a 12th st. near the gallery :D

kiwilostie said...

Very interesting! Charles,you nailed the 88-keys from the outset, Im sure there was something else too, and now this little gem. I wondered previously if you were a plant, dropping info if we got stuck with clues, but then again, I do like a good conspiracy theory! :)
Thorsten, they didnt put you in Room 23 for a bit did they?! ;)

Sam G said...

:) email

mungonna said...

There is also ...another problem with perspective...figuratively..See,,Tycho Brea , at his Time..well..astronomy wasn't..The heavens hadn't matured in perspective yet to be " astronomical"..It was all under the umbrella of Astrology..yes, there is a mention there of a astrological forecast..but all the " tools" on display,,seem way too pointed in the direction of " Science" rather than Arts.. Let me put it this way.. how can this painting be a clash of science and faith,,when " science" known as Science,, hadn't even been matured to yet..Perhaps, Its too modern in its message?

Brendan said...

What?

Charles said...

Capcom - you made a really interesting point. Remember the original tagline of Ronke Midfew Arts at the start of the ARG said that 15 paintings would be lost and the 16th would be found? What if that referred to the 'discovery' of this painting in a 'private collection' in NY?

Kiwilostie - thx for the kind words. I wish I was a plant and knew more about this stuff. Then maybe I wouldve got one of those posters :-/

Just Thinking said...

Brendan- oh never mind.

I don't know guys- Michael John Gorman seems to be real enough-Google quickly gives you 2 talks he did for audiences connected with his work. This one is about the painting-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUCGHm7llg. It sure seems real- as part of something his Science Gallery does called "Ignite". Don't think he would go to all this trouble just to be part of what- just a joke on us?

Capcom said...

Oh...wow...Charles. OK it's official, I'm suspiscious now! :o)

Capcom said...

He could be a Lost fan, JT, and is helping out and playing along. :-o

Well, I'll go to bed tonight wondering about this like the whole Bad Twin thing, dangitt. Weird dreams coming up tonight for sure.

TahoeWikander said...

The Linder Gallery discussion piqued my curiosity -- especially given the lack of resources via Google -- so I just trolled through the academic databases at my Uni. I only found one reference, in an article from the New Scientist on 4/11/09. The Linder Gallery Interior was shown at an exhibit in Florence called "Galileo: Images of the universe from antiquity to the telescope" at the Palazzo Strozzi from 13 March-30 August 2009. The website for the exhibit: http://www.galileofirenze.it/

If you go into the virtual exhibit, and "tour" Section VIII "From Galileo to Newton" you can see the presentation of the Linder Gallery Interior.

Hope this helps -- though I was really hoping for a conspiracy painting.

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kiwilostie said...

TW, nice find. March this year does seem a bit far back for our (read my) conspiracy theory... cant see them pulling New Scientist into an ARG! ;)

TahoeWikander said...

BTW, great interview Thorsten. Rediscovering a painting like this is an academic's dream.

Kiwi -- is it crazy that I think the LOST crew could totally pull off a conspiracy like this? :-)

kiwilostie said...

TW, Im listening to the interview as I type this. Facinating! (Nice one Thorsten).
And yes, Im sure they could do something on this scale. I almost said in my last post that Im not yet totally convinced that its not ARG related... we shall see.

kiwilostie said...

Forgot to say, Id like to hear Ob_s thoughts on this.

thinbluemime said...

TahoeWikander, Thanks for the Italian web site link. The site is difficult to navigate and URL links are non existant because of the flash content. I did find this pdf doc, announcing the Linder Gallery exhibition.

http://tinyurl.com/yaffnzw

http://www.galileofirenze.it/allegati/Press%20release%202%20Fact%20sheet_090515114907.pdf

maven said...

I got to thinking that this painting is sort of similar in style to another one I've seen and I cannot for the life of me remember the title. All the paintings within the painting are ancient architectural pieces (like Roman columns, arches, etc.) It's also in a big room with all the paintings framed from ceiling to floor...trying to find it now....

DeAnne said...

Maven - we're psychic twins! I was just typing this:

I heart Thorsten ;)

BTW - I was wracking my brain because I kept thinking that the painting was so familiar and I couldn't remember where I might have seen it before. With a bit of Google assistance, I just realized I was thinking of a print by Giovanni Paolo Pannini ("Picture Gallery with Views of Modern Rome"). I thought I was on to something, but my hopes were dashed! ;) Anyway, funny how similar they are. Must have been a trend of sorts "back in the day".

whmscl

maven said...

@DeAnne: That's so funny. So glad you found it....very similar idea.

Here is the painting we were both thinking of!

Anne said...

Capcom: good point about the dog painting. It's true that a lot of paintings have even only recently surfaced that were "lost" in WWII. I actually thought about contacting my friend who works at the Met about this! Not sure she'd understand, she won't watch the show.

At one point I wondered whether "The Linder Gallery" is 100% real - but the *version we've seen* ISN'T. Just another random possibility to drive us nuts. ;)

We must still be suspicious of everything! *stares hard at "Charles"* lol.

Project Plush Polar Bear is moving ahead! Slooooowly. Dratted patterning.

Anne said...

Thorsten: btw, thanks for the interview! I think you have a future narrating/hosting TV specials on the History Channel :3

If, as it seems most likely still, the painting is 100% real and has zip to do with Lost (directly), I would be fascinated to find out how on earth it wound up in the video! I wouldn't mind seeing it in person, either.

I wrote quite a long paper on Kepler a while back, fascinating subject. Much less known than Galileo, in terms of the battles he personally fought for the advancement of science, and his contributions to that science get downplayed as well.

Certainly in light of the interview, it's interesting to see the painting not just as the battle between science and religion, but the battle to maintain a balance between them, with orthodoxy/dictatorship from neither. If you're doing the LU Philosophy course this is extra fun :)

mungonna said...

has anybody noticed the awkward perspective of the painting? The single vanishing point perspective works,,out to the garden anyway..but the left to right, red table to red table,,suggests the floor isn't flat..A close look at the objects on table shows not quite mastery of perspective( beyond single point) in the flat surfaces of the objects.Same on the red table to the left..Its like there is a view of the left side of the room,,and a separate view from the right side. The perspective lines of the windows do not seem to match the top of left wall and Vaulted ceiling line. Matter of fact. that left wall seems to bend out the further back it goes.Seems weird since this painting is said to be painted 100 years after the Italians discovered the math of perspective.The Door on the right side appears abit awkward also. That the floor is left blank.. no perspective lines at all..nothing..is very strange since " perspective" is strongly used every where else. The View of the room appears to be from an elevated point..but the artist hasn't mastered the perspective of high to low at the same time front to rear..or two point perspective.

If this had been painted by an Italian Painter of that Time..the floor would have perspective lines, most likely a checkered floor. Perhaps there is a reason not any mention of it in other circles.

The Kharma Initiative said...

To find the truth, you must "follow the money" as they say. Or, in this case, follow the comments.

The first person to mention the Linder Gallery painting after the SPiN video was posted was...

ObFuSc8

...in the comments to this post here.

Her explanation for how she found it:

"This was actually another weird coincidence. I mentioned it to my Astrophysics prof from highschool who's wife is a studio art prof. They posted on my FB page last night, then I googled away!"

So apparently other people are aware of this painting. If ObFuSc8 is to be trusted. :)

mungonna said...

Perhaps I need to clarify my point..This could very well be an authentic painting..unfortunate tho that the artist remains unknown..but..the artist is ..2nd rate in his craftsmanship, therefore,the piece is not considered highly in the upper circles of Art Appreciation.

mungonna said...

ammm..not to harp on the same issue, but , perhaps this painting was painted by two painters. Look at the wonderful detail and color and shading of the old man. Now look at area around #14..There is a major train wreck in perspective there between frame , painting and wall. That simply is not on the same craft level as that of the old man..

knightsintodreams said...

this painting on tyhe main page reminds me of one i've seen before.
a huge stone arched room full of paintings, but there were some students painting paintings on the walls in that version. i think it was called "school of socrates" or something. i'll try to find it now.

perhaps this was done by the same artist? or (if charlses is right) the artist was inspired by that one :P

Martyn said...

Just popping in quickly as it's getting to that time of the year when you don't have any time.

Good luck to all attending to morrow, make all us LostARG lurkers and contributors proud! Also get plenty of free swag to send to other people who couldn't attend, as a LostARG xmas present.

Good luck to everyone that want's the poster when it is released, I shall be trying for the sake of trying to be honest.

I wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa and a Happy New Year!!!

See you on the other side!

knightsintodreams said...

http://cgfa.acropolisinc.com/panini/panini9.jpg

FOUND IT oh ho ho

it was Rome, not Greece, and i guess it's not that similar at all. it was done in the late 1800's

knightsintodreams said...

@ martyn
one thing i do know of paintings from this time period is that perspective wasn't that important to them. some paintings are simply ghastly.

knightsintodreams said...

ok one more thing (sorry i just got back from puarta vallarta a few days ago so im trying to catch up)

i've been trying to translate the Latin phrase "ALY ET ALIA VIDENT"
but all that'll come up is "ally and other vident." i've been trying other latin phrases i know and they translate perfectly. odd..

Zort70 said...

The phrase translates to "Others see it yet otherwise" according to the Mysterious Masterpiece website.

You also had the same painting vision as Maven and DeAnne above

Lisa said...

Morning, I have to go back and read the last posts. You all were chatty last night !

Zort70 said...

Hi Lisa, yes there was a lot last night, I was reading along but staying quiet.

Lisa said...

well, at least Michael Gorman is a real writer. He has a page on Amazon for all the books he wrote.
link
I feels so funny writing his name since my bf's name is almost the same with his last name being Gorman as well.

Justin said...

Hi everyone! I posted the winners of my swag giveaway! You find out who were the top 10 to solve my clues:

www.DamonCarltonAndMe.com

I've also added a subscription button in the right hand column on the site. There will be a lot of activity this week as well as more giveaways, so make sure to check back at the site!

@comixguru - thanks for scoping out the gallery and taking pics! I'm excited!! Can't wait till Tuesday!

thorsten said...

Lisa, you know, there are no coincidences with Lost involved ;))

LostiePat said...

@Thorsten - thanks for posting the Gorman interview. Fascinating! Gorman mentioned that he recently spoke about the painting at Harvard. Carlton is a Harvard grad, so there may be a connection there.

I've been reading everyone's posts and marveling at the way the LA plans are coming together (especially the resolution of the parking situation - that was just amazing). I am so bummed that I cannot be there, but I'll be following along online.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow. :-)

ChrisL said...

The 4-Toed Statue, my side of a Lostie trade, arrived this morning. First time I've seen it in person. Loving it.

Lots of interesting comments overnight. Sounds like the excitement for tomorrow is reaching fever pitch!

thorsten said...

Thanks to The Kharma Initiative for reconstructing how ObFuSc8 identified the painting and pointed to Michael Jonhs work!

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thorsten said...

Michael John posted about a drawing that bears a striking resemblance to the Linder Gallery on his blog, and he identified dutch painter Peter Paul Rubens in it.
The German merchant Peter Linder is in it, too.
Michael John concludes that it is possible that the Windsor drawing was created to memorialize a trip Linder made to Antwerp, during which he met Rubens and the still unknown painter of the Linder Gallery.

Windsor Drawing

Lisa said...

I did go through Gormans painting on his web site and they are all real painters on there. Only trouble is he says painted in the style of...... Not a real painting of that persons since only one painted the whole painting. Wouldn't be hard to do since all the paintings of that era are no longer copy righted since they are so old.

seaque said...

Lisa said:
Only trouble is he says painted in the style of......

@Lisa
Yes, I find this curious too.

thorsten said...

As a follow-up I asked Michael John about the painter…

http://thorstenwulff.com/ThePainter.mp3

Lisa said...

Kewl Thorsten....

Lisa said...

here I was washing dishes thinking wow, it's cold in here. Our heater broke last month once already so I wasn't looking forward to slapping down a couple more hundred to fix it yet again. Turns out, the cats turned down the heat when they were messing with my birds. lolol Should have known lol

Zort70 said...

Great follow up question.

A bonus bit of audio for people in the comments !

ChrisL said...

Nice bonus feature Thorsten!

Milo has updated dcaapb for those interested in some more excellent pics of recent posters.

Zort70 said...

The multiple artists painting it seems likely, but there was probably a master plan for the whole painting created before it was started in ernest.

The sketch was probably the start of that plan.

mungonna said...

Thanks Thor and Zort..that info confirms my suspicions about multiple artists. Which would relegate the piece to an " also ran" and not quite the Master Piece being touted.

Yet..part of me recognizes something about the style of the old man, table and contents, etc, etc. I'm going way out on the limb with the suggestion that,, indeed this painting is by a Flemish painter,,but not one of the early 1600's. I've referred to him in previous posts. I " sense" that this painting is perhaps by a young Rene Magritte!

I wonder if Gorman has done any chemical analysis of the copper?

Sayid'sgirl said...

ChrisL
the 4 toed statue is the only one I wish I had gotten. I planned on getting if it was still around at the end of all this. Little did I know. :) I have limited funds and was waiting to see if there was anything I'd like better. There wasn't really.

Ah well I'm happy with the two I got. Glad you were able to get it.

Now I'm waiting for semester 2 of LU. I'm begining to think that's all I do with LOST. lol

Just Thinking said...

Just wanted to say that the Science Gallery that Michael John Gorman directs looks like it has super exhibits- here is one of many videos about it around-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4RpErnKVCg&feature=channel

Would love to go there.

Just Thinking said...

Good travels and have fun to everyone heading out to LA! I was wondering how they were going to "reveal" the show at 7:00- imagined folks running about flipping the paintings around to face forward. A little easier to cover the windows with brown (poster wrapping?)paper! I really love that they went to the trouble of doing Ronnie Midfew on the on the window.

Look forward to the Argies reports!

Amy Lynn said...

Fly safely, everyone!

The Bench Coach said...

"Others see it yet otherwise."

This is a great quote to tie to the Lost universe and takes us back to when the survivors first crashed on the island. Jin referred to everyone as others. The A-team often referred to the rest of the survivors as "the others". Then came the capital-O Others.

The idea of Other-ness is so central to Lost. I wonder how it will play in the coming season. Will we find out that our core group of survivors are in fact Others? Maybe they just didn't know it yet.

If so, then truly "Others see it yet otherwise."

mungonna said...

BC..yes! that bit of latin, displayed so obviously..It is troublesome to me. A bit too modern for the early 1600's? a bit too obvious, in our face?, no subtlety there. I can see that latin phrase,,as a first step, or origin,maybe even a variation of Magritte's " This is not a Pipe" or The Treason of Art.,,
Then there is that left side red table. I look at that,,the way it is portrayed, the way it is lit and shaded, the matter of fact " Being" of it..Its almost deadpan comedy. It just screams Magritte at me...oh well..

Please remember the words of Locke in the Swan Hatch with Jack and Ben..." We are all Others"..implying the solitary state of existence and that from any one individuals point of view,,everyone else is an Other. The " sanctity" of the Individual is being emphasized..imho.

Capcom said...

Great comments everyone! Thanks for that other painting link Maven, et.al.!

True about perspective used back then, Knights, and also sometimes forced perspective was used to achieve certain effects within the paintings or to draw the eye, like on stage sets.

I think that you may have found our answer as to how the painting got connected to Lost, Lostiepat!?

That was a close scare about your heater again, Lisa! *whew*

Thorsten, thanks very much for the additional info!

Me too, Sayidsgirl. Not particularly for me with the Foot, but the saving funds for something else thing. :-(

maven said...

Anticipation is building for tomorrow...it's a beautiful sunny day in LA! Can't wait until they rip off the plain brown paper wrapping! I gather the store will be closed to the public tomorrow during the day!

The discussion about the painting has been so interesting. The inclusion of it in the SPiN video is tantalizing and it has to be there for a reason...if only for the Latin phrase. Time will tell of it's importance.

Amy Lynn said...

I did not splice the Spin video. I promise.

Capcom said...

P.S. it seems to me that when a painting is out of rotation for 400 years, it wouldn't get much recognition in the circles of art appreciation. So perhaps with more exposure now, and with time, this painting will get the attention that it seems to deserve, even if only for its uniqueness and mystery. I'll probably buy the book, just because I like to read about mysterious art, etc.

Good luck tomorrow everyone, and prayers for all those who are traveling distances to get there!

Capcom said...

Oh yeah we know, you and Thorsten and TPTB did it Amy. Funny how the video is not seen anywhere else! :o)

Amy Lynn said...

I was discussing this with a LOSTie over the weekend, I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't gotten the video? Maybe we would have gotten a better copy of it on the hub? :(

Capcom said...

Right, we may never know the answer to that Amy. It's still weird how it hasn't been posted there yet like everything else, especially if according to Paul, it's important, or we missed something there. I wonder what gives with that.

ChrisL said...

Paul didn't say we missed something to do with the video though, just that we missed a big clue and it was something to do with Ping Pong... Oooh the frustration.

RobPerrin said...

Sending out goood, good, GOOD, good vibrations to everyone from LOST ARGs who will be at G88 tomorrow night. I'll be following along on the video feeds, Twitter, and this site.

Patmc said...

I just had a random Lost thought: if the timeline reboots back to 2004, what are the passengers from 815 going to say when Walt suddenly goes from looking like a little kid... to looking like a middle aged man? Are they going to have to use CG or something? LOL!

illix said...

Good luck to everyone going out there tomorrow! Can't wait to see what'll happen as we reach the end of this long, weird trip...And if there is a scavenger hunt, as some have speculated - well, I'm sure the internet will mobilize to get it done ten times faster than Darlton's expecting!

Also, is it bugging anyone else that it says "Ronie Midfew Arts and Damon Carlton and a Polar Bear PresentS"? I'm pretty sure it should be "present."

Amy Lynn said...

Good point about the scavenger hunt -- and a plenty good reason for a bunch of us to NOT be there, but rather, somewhere with Google very handy.

Anne said...

Does this mean we can "phone a friend" if we get into trouble? ;) I don't think they're going to run us around, but you never know!

Ahhh I'm starting to get totally wound up! Which hopefully will help me get up at 5AMish to make my flight x.x

May ask again later tonight but if you think there's something at/about the opening you really want photos of, let me know :)

I do believe there will have to be harassing about the significance of the Linder Gallery, and whether there's something else we missed!

Lisa said...

I', a bit worried since Joey will be coming home Wednesday about being at his fathers. Then he has a concert at 6 pm and I have to go to that. They better do this poster drop before 2 pm so I can play along !!

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RobPerrin said...

Anne, I'd love to see a picture of everyone and everything. (Is that too general?)
Actually, I'd love to see a picture with each of our LOSTARGs attendees holding our poster. Also Carlton holding it, Damon, Noreen, Paul, G88 folks, etc. And a pic of our poster hanging on the wall beside the others. Uh, other posters that is.

Eugene said...

Wishing everyone safe travels as they head off to G1988. I'm sure it will be awesome and thanks in advance for any coverage that we can follow.

NamArte!

mistersh0w said...

Not sure if there will be a place outside the gallery to plug in my notebook, but Mark and I plan on being there pretty darn early, and if you guys would like, and if it's possible, I have a webcam on my notebook that you guys can watch, and maybe have some peeps at the event say hi, and update everyone on what's going on as it happens... LIVE!

Skype?

maven said...

This thing is going to be soooo covered by everyone attending!

Capcom said...

That's just what we need Maven, coverage for everyone's level and expertise of computer app technology! :-D This will be great.

reAnimated said...

What time is the event at again?

Eugene said...

@MistershOw.. you can use Qik for your cellphone and may be able to use it for webcam as well.

reAnimated said...

Qik, or now Ustream has an app as well for live streaming.

mistersh0w said...

Thanks guys, I'll check both out! I have an iPhone, but want to save my battery for photo ops, and IF the 16th print goes live, I'll give it a shot on the phone...

I was able to snag the Smoke Monster print on my phone while in traffic on the way to work! Not sure if 3G will be swift enough on the last drop, but just in case, I'll be ready!

Does anyone know if G88 has wifi?

Amy Lynn said...

I think G88 does have WiFi, but if it's as small as people are saying, you might not want to bring a laptop in there.

The Blot said...

In case you guys are interested, Jesse Hernandez, one of the artists listed under the "and Surprises from" category on the Lost Underground Art Project flyer just posted this on Twitter:

"Ok just finished my piece for gallery 1988 lost show, time for express mail and then head to work. Possibly not in that order."

Sadly, no real clue as to what the surprises might be. I'm really jealous of everyone getting to attend the opening in person!

mistersh0w said...

Amy - I wouldn't bring my laptop inside, I'd just be using it outside before the show opens/after if there's a print drop...

I plan on bringing chairs and sitting out in front all day! Mark and I may even head out in the weeee hours of the morning!

reAnimated said...

Wow.. thats true dedication. Thats what I like to hear. :)

mistersh0w said...

The way I see it, this is a once in a lifetime event... I'm going to be taking a day off of work as well.

I feel like missing this would be a terrible shame seeing as I live so damn close to the event.

I'll be there with my swan station hoodie, fail safe key necklace, and Drive Shaft ring!

NERDS UNITE!

Zort70 said...

It's gonna look like a Lost extras lineup in the Gallery queue.

Patmc said...

I'm going solo to the event, but I'm going to bring an extra chair so someone else can have a seat if they want... With the parking so close now, it shouldn't be a big deal to drop both chairs back in the car right before 7pm.

I'm starting to get excited... I'll be on the drive to the gallery in 24 hours!

mistersh0w said...

Patmc - That was our plan too, set up shop, get comfy, bring latops, and then take it all back to the car around 630-ish...

What a godsend this parking thing is!

maven said...

I'll be there at 10:30AM with bagels and cream cheese!

ChrisL said...

OK, so now I have to be eating bagels and cream cheese in the middle of the night in order to show solidarity! It's bad enough that I'm going to be keeping the entire house awake yelling WAAAAALLLLLTT! every time a report comes in from the front line.

LotteryTicket said...

hi. arrived LA safe. mistershOw if you choose Ustream for iPhone, #lostarg will get you into my Show. I need to approve you before this works, so email lotto dot ticket dot 108 @gmail. Anyone else who like to give this a try, please let me know. You can subscribe to show at Ustream: "Lost Underground Art Project" There will be pre-show shenanigans.

I love that we have more misspelling/grammar issues, on the front door no less. We will have to "look closely" I think.

Left the house in freezing drizzle and slippery roads. I hear that 2 more inches fell shortly thereafter (totaling 20+) in the past week. So looking at the Santa Monica Pier and waves crashing is pretty sweet.

We have recon/dinner plans with comixguru, Myrna and anyone else that can find us on Melrose Ave after 7 p.m. Suggestions for dinner welcome via Twitter Lottery_Ticket or comixguru.

Wishing all could be here. Lotto

mungonna said...

Jeesh..I am begining to feel like a youngster all over again...I hope I don't have a heart attack. Naaa! if i survived a 1 minute sell out, I can survive tomorrow evening!
Just got back from the Dentist, So, I Am Ready For The Camera! SMILE Everybody!

andalone said...

I love seeing the mention of reconnaissance! I am picturing trench coats, tippy-toes, and Pink Panther music playing in the background. Is there a secret handshake? ;)

ChrisL said...

LT. I know that view so well, how I love Santa Monica. Wish I was there. Have an amazing time.

maven said...

@LT: Glad you made it to Santa Monica Beach and you're seeing the Pacific Ocean on a great clear day in LA!

mungonna said...

LOTTO!! Great! You have met the Ocean! Now hurry up and get a tan! hehehee.

Justin said...

Welcome to LA, LT! Wish I was able to make it to dinner with you guys! It's almost an hour drive from me though and I don't get off work till 730.

MeSoCrazy said...

I have arrived as well everyone.

Wait. Oh nevermind. I thought we were just talking about arriving in general. So scratch that. I just arrived to work. Which is not at all as interesting or newsworthy. In fact I typically arrive here everyday. So in other words I am doing nothing that is in anyway shape or form exciting.

Although I am still ready to go door to door if and when the scavenger hunt begins. Just give me a list of things to ask for and I'm sure I will not get them. So I will be as helpful as I always am. None helpful.

However, I'm very excited for those who are at 'the place' or are on their way. Do something crazy for me. And I in return will, well I'll be me, in honor of you, here.

ChrisL said...

MeSoCrazy, I'm very pleased you have arrived at work safely. I'm keeping a little excitement in reserve for you.

mistersh0w said...

Lotto - email sent.

This is all getting very exciting! As I messaged to Lotto, it would be best if there was some way to make this event as LIVE as possible for those who can't make it... I'll be brainstorming with Lotto, and buddy Mark about how to make this happen.

Stay tuned!

Eugene said...

Ooooooohhhhhh, MisterShOw, thank you for keeping us in mind. This is going to be so much fun. Grab yourself some swag and pictures. I think this will be a day you'll want to remember.

maven said...

Will try to make dinner...keep me informed!

Anne said...

@Rob Perrin: good idea, will have to get group pic with the poster. :)

@The Blot: man, it's strangely comforting to know that OTHER creative people work until the very last second XD;

@Zort: HEY they're still shooting, maybe we'll get bit parts! JK. Though we'll have enough time waiting to shoot a fan film rofl.

Eeek, still have to get stuff together and packed, figure out how to modify my incorrect patch for my jumpsuit . . . would give firstborn for the Motor Pool patch, hate being inaccurate! Pesky anal retentive costumer gene.

And my poor polar bear's limbs/head aren't attached to his body yet. He appears displeased. But must go off to make small surprise for other line partiers :3

Ellen B said...

This is almost more exciting than a reveal. Although I'm enjoying it more because I know I don't have to jump on a plane to LA, much less purchase a poster!

Ellen B said...

I do have a question for those of you who are wiser than I. Where did we get the idea that the 16th poster would be somehow "different"? I'm sure there's an explanation, but I don't know what it is!

mungonna said...

..you..you mean The LOST Black Velvet SideWalk Theatre Show could be broadcast LIVE!!..to an International Audience..as It Happens!!???? OMG! The possibilities are endless!!

comixguru said...

Hi All- I wanted to share my Lost-themed holiday cards with you all. Happy holidays! Hope yours are filled with warmth, love and LOST!

What did one snowman say to the other?

A Happy Polar Bear

reAnimated said...

HAHAHA. I haven't gotten my card yet, but now I can't wait. The bearded snowman is the best. :)

Sam G said...

:) email

I'm excited to see that on the window.

Martyn said...

LMAO, SOOOOOO glad I chose the happy polar bear, that looks amazing!

Love the Snowman too, Comixguru!

Martyn said...

Question to fellow UK losties...

Are you staying up until 3am or are you going to sleep first then wake up?

Or the more unlikely tbh, sleep through it all as the poster isn't on sale until later that day?

Sayid'sgirl said...

comixguru
Love the cards. Especially the polar bear.

Lisa said...

@ comixguru they are both great but the polar bear is the best !!! fantastic !

Lisa said...

@ comixguru Should we be looking for clues in these ?? lol

Martyn said...

@LIsa...

Any sign of your boarding pass yet?

mtutick said...

@comixguru

I agree, the happy polar bear is awesome!

Lisa said...

Oh yes Martyn, it just came today ! Thanks so much, something else to add to my collection of Lost things. :-) Very Kewl !

ChrisL said...

Martyn, I guess we'll be getting updates for a good couple of hours after 3am so I think a couple of hours sleep for me in advance, setting alarm for 1.30am and then making a night of it I suspect.

ChrisL said...

@comixguru, very cool cards!

Martyn said...

Fantastic!

Hope they didn't ignore my DO NOT BEND scribble.

Glad to give it to someone who'll appreciate it, just couldn't bare to throw it away when I knew someone out there would want it.

Still got a Hurley's lotto ticket, photo of matthew fox, season two cast photo and Dr. Jack Shepherd Frequent Flyer Card to give away, so if anyone wants one, let me know!

Capcom said...

Hahaha Andalone, definitely Pink Panther music! X-D

Ellen, I guess that we just think it's going to be different because of the red "?". And because it's maybe the "found" thing perhaps. ???

Aww, great Lostivus cards, Comixguru!!!

mtutick said...

FYI - a preview of one of the paintings for tomorrow's party!

Piece from Edwin Ushiro

mistersh0w said...

Martyn, are you throwing away Hurley's winning lotto ticket?! I would gladly take that off your hands if that's the case!

Martyn said...

@ChrisL...

I think I may have a couple of hours sleep but as far as I see it, this is like a pre-run of Xmas.

Weeks of excitement and anticipation

Trying to sleep the night before, knowing that you get to see something to want the next day.

Well, 3am part isn't quite part of xmas but maybe after tomorrow, i'll finally get in to the xmas spirit. Too much anticipation for this event!

maven said...

Love my Polar Bear card, Comixguru!

Martyn said...

@mistersh0w...

It's yours! Was going to try and trade it for the Hurley Gelaskin or a programme from the even tomorrow but I think i'd feel better sending it to a true fan who'll treat it better than I did!

e-mail me at m.grahamatgooglemaildotcom with your shipping address and i'll send it tomorrow!

MeSoCrazy said...

@Martyn Um a photo of Matthew Fox you aren't taping to your bedroom wall? What? Are you crazy?

Lisa said...

now if it was a photo of Charlie, I might have to wrestle you for it, but fox ? meh, naw, never thought he was hot. Probably looks too much like one of my sons to be hot to me. lolol

andalone said...

Lottery_Ticket's latest post on Twitter:
here

maven said...

A message from Lottery Ticket.

MeSoCrazy said...

Well I will still wrestle you for it. I have loved him since Party of Five. And I will love him forever and ever the end. Also Matthew Fox is God's gift to me. Sexiest man alive ever. Now, the end. Period. Exclamation point.

Lisa said...

awwww, I'm soooooooo jealous !! Sand and sun while we have cold and snow. No fair !! :-P

Martyn said...

Awww, how nice!

@mesocrazy...

hmmm, can't really say Matthew Fox has ever been my cup of tea tbh ,but Evangleine Lily...

Ahem, anyway, just remembered I have a Wanted poster for Kate, not a proper one becase there is a LOST logo in the corner and the photo is on the island. Hard to tear away from her but I must, so that's up for grabs too as well as a Walkabout Tours brochure.

If I find anymore LOST stuff, will add it to the list!

Ellen B said...

Capcom, that explanation of poster 16 makes as much sense as anything I've heard. The only thing is...everyone here has always seemed so certain about it! Maybe I'm just an old skeptic. ;)

RobPerrin said...

Curious as to the price range of the other LOST art that will be available at G88. Anyone planning to buy?

mistersh0w said...

Martyn, YOU ROCK! I'm going to the event tomorrow night and if I can grab ANY extra ANYTHING it's yours! I'll email you my info in a bit!

GO LOSTIES!

The Blot said...

@robperrin - Been trying to get some info from a few of the artists involved with the show but they've been really tightlipped. Haven't even been able to find out info about prices, but I'd imagine anywhere from $100-$1,000 (i know that's not really helpful though, sorry!)

Zort70 said...

LotteryTicket - I'm almost in tears (of joy)

Martyn said...

@mistersh0w...

Sweet, that's uber awesome of you, I really appreciate it!

When you send your address, i'll reply with a photo i've taken of the ticket.

Zort70 said...

I might stay up for a couple of minutes after midnight tomorrow !

JPL said...

@comixguru - I so have to get on your Christmas card mailing list. That is one VERY happy looking Polar Bear - SO COOL!!!

@Lottery Ticket & all those in LA (as well as those heading tomorrow night) - thank you for allowing us to tag along... enjoy every moment in what is sure to be a most excellent "finale" for this ARG. An evening of action, suspense, drama, comedy & dare I say... maybe romance is sure to await you. We'll be following along your every tweet, post, & USTREAM video.

Zort70 said...

I'll try and gather some details of all the various reporting methods for tomorrow evening and post them on the main page in the morning.

Zort70 said...

For now, I need some sleep as I may not get any tomorrow :-)

Martyn said...

Very valid point Zort, I will be staying awake, otherwise I may stay asleep and miss all the fun. Nice lie in tomorrow, off to get Swan Station framed and then the greatest LOST event of my life that I can't attend but read along to.

Can't Wait!

Good luck to all flying, no hoping it crashes on the Island, you could be the Nikki & Paulo of the Plane remember!

JPL said...

@Zort - Bonam Noctem!

Since listening to Thorsten's interview & the hopes that it may come in handy for tomorrow night... I've been brushing up on my Latin. :)

kiwilostie said...

Seems to have taken ages to get to this point, now time accelerates.
Martyn, whats the walkabout brochure?

Martyn said...

A leaflet about the Walkabout that Locke took, well, wanted to take before being DENIED. It came with the John Locke toy that my gf bought me for xmas years ago.

Now that I have this more "adult" posters (as opposed to Bananaman) I felt the need to de-clutter my room. Hence the LOST memorabilia i'm freely giving away. You never know how much crap you have until you tidy up. Found Power Ranger toys today.

Eugene said...

Martyn,
I have been having problems with posting so I sent you an email with an attachment for the hurley picture. I had it made into an iPod touch gelaskin at skinit.com. It came out very nice.

Martyn said...

ahh, fantastic, will do that then, thanks!

Martyn said...

@Eugene...

Did you send it to my googlemail account? Can't seem to find it.

mungonna said...

OH LOTTO!!..WAAAAAAaaaaAAAAaLLLLT! Great fotos! Its good to see you are enjoying southern California. Enjoy the sunset and food and the Losties and..well, have fun. See You and Everybody Else TOMMORROW!!!! GIK!!!!

Lisa said...

Martyn, lolol about the power rangers. My son with Downs, named Justin, every year I ask him what he wants for Christmas or his Birthday and he says Power Rangers. lol He's 23 this last Friday and I gave him adult stuff and a couple of small Power Rangers. He wants more for Christmas so I will be looking for more soon lol

Eugene said...

Martyn, Yep. But if it didn't come through you can find it here

Hurley

Hopefully this will work My computer keeps freezing while I try to post>

Martyn said...

Sweet!

Cheers Eugene, good luck with sorting out your computer!

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